OHMYGODHEUSEDTHETWORD. Head for the hills!

In all seriousness, I just want to start some tank players and AV players chatting about the average speed of the HAV. I find it to be a bit fast, and if they decided to add some HitPoints to them in exchange for some speed, I'd like that. Thing is, I'm not a tank pilot anymore, nor am I the Forge Gunner I used to be, so I have no say in the matter beyond 'that guy that got gun down by a tank that one time' so lets get the ball rolling.

You want your tank to have more HP at the cost of speed.

Have you heard of "Armour Plates" yet?

They're wonderful things, take up a low slot. They give you extra HP at the cost of speed. Check them out sometime.

I don't want 'my' tank to have more EHP in exchange for speed. How about you read the entire OP before you try to feed your like received e-peen?

Your argument against having webbifiers is that they'd get you killed? That's kinda the point. In EVE we have tacklers who are supposed to bum rush a target and put a 'point and web' on them, which means they need to put a point of Warp Scrambler on the target along with a Stasis Webbifier to prevent the target from warping out and flying freely. If the enemy is coordinated enough to do such, you deserve death, and you deserve it swiftly. To put it in DUST terms if you let an infantry guy stroll up to you and web you, you deserve to be shelled into the ground. This module probably won't even give any kind of WP if DShips are anything to go by so the only people using them will be the same that use DShips: those that want to win/have a deepseated hatred of tanks.

In short, we need these tools to help kill you. Saying we don't need them because they'd help kill you is mildly dumb.

Don't tanks have afterburners?

I'm not quite getting it. They'd need the afterburner to counter stasis, but to nullify the possibility of being webbed they'd need to give up something, in this case armor. It seems fair enough to me. Tangentially related, how many Forge Gunners is a tank supposed to be able to survive?

This is the biggest problem I've noticed. Guy swaps to AV,scares the tank off, and the tank is back within a minute; less if he doesn't wait for cooldowns. The 'cowardly tank' as I've come to call them needs a counter in the form of webs. The AV guys I talk to get really steamed over not really getting anything for deterring vehicles while the vehicles get tons of kills from the nonAV guys or the AV guy himself if he gets too brazen. Too many 'big one that got away' stories, if you ask me.

Also, didn't there used to be a damage thing? I remember WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY back in the first build you got points for damaging tanks, turrets, even the MCC. We need that back... except for the MCC one.

Can't count the number of times I've surfed a tank. As a shotgunner, this never ends well.

If he was a mildly braindamaged Minmatar Basic, then that was indeed me. Was running AV grenades to see what the whole OP fuss was about. Ran out way before the Tank ran low on shields and he was getting a bead on me, so jumping on top seemed the only sensible thing to do.

...WOW that sounds stupid when you say it out loud. Tried to jump a tank armed with grenades and ended up riding it.

Not sure. I remember things like that happening, but I can't read the neon names on my Lo-Def. BTW is it just me or do you need to lead the shotgun a tad, I swear I'm either missing or the bullets disappear into the ether when I'm too close.

On Webby topic, I hope they add them sooner than later, regardless of what speculation we make such a thing should have been tested during the beta period.

No, I mean I was on top of a friendly tank, there was an enemy also on the tank, and we both had Shotguns.

I had been a gunner, but when I realised neither of us could get a line on our raspberry passenger, I joined him. Had a good few seconds of trying to get the driver to move his turret out of the way so I could get a clear shot.

I'm back, and this time, I've had a chance to actually get some rest. Unfortunately, not as much as I'd have liked, but anyway... I feel conscious again. So... Re-reading OP.


To be fair, average speed isn't significantly different from the average speed of a real-world tank. And the top speed you can get with a speed-tanked HAV isn't much different from the best a real-world tank can manage. But in saying that, game balance does need to be considered. Webifiers have been sort-of confirmed, and it's been hinted that they'll be Equipment (something beginning with "W").

If a Webifier is an equipment item that functions like the Repair Tool, I'd be VERY interested in seeing it used in battle. Get in close, lock on, and the enemy tank is slowed down massively (reduced movement, turret turn rate, fire rate, shield regen, everything). But you not only have to get close, you have to STAY close, making it a very risky option. Leave the enemy tank exposed to your team's AV weapons - or maybe toss an AV grenade then Web before they can outpace the blast.

The other possibility is that they make Webifier mines that have a limited duration effect once activated, whether remote triggered or Prox. This would probably be more user-friendly, but I'd prefer to see a more squad-based approach with an active Equipment item.

Although I do think I was onto a legitimate point in my less-than-coherent state before - giving us the freedom to choose speed tanking over HP tanking is an important option - buffing your speed and using that to be a difficult target SHOULD be a viable option, particularly if/when Enforcers become a viable option. They're designed to be low-defense high-attack. Why not use the passives in place of damage mods, then speed-tank so you're a fast-moving, hard-hitting platform that dies as soon as someone gets a line on you? Allowing for a greater variety of options isn't a bad thing.

Don't tanks have afterburners?

Webbifiers are not 'gate camp crap' they are the bread and butter of combat across New Eden... well the butter anyway, with the bread being Warp Scramblers. Give me one good reason why Webbifiers shouldn't be in this game? They would add a unique flair to DUST, we'd finally have a tool that can't be dumbed down to SPACE 'modern firearm'.

What skill could possibly give you a 50% bonus to PG? Also, if you need more PG equip PG modules, some of those even buff your shields as a bonus. They changed that one skill from PG bonus to PG module fitting bonus to get you to use them, so try them out. Kinda a **** move to change the skill without changing the description, but post respec I'm sure most is forgiven. Also, 5000 HP Total is 4 Assault Forge Gun blasts, which takes 10 seconds to fire. I'm not counting Hvy Dmg Mods, but I'm not counting reppers either. You have plenty of health, just stop trying to tank the whole enemy team and rushing into them without support. I haven't a clue if that's what you actually do, mind, but it seems to be the only way you could possibly be getting killed.

Double their Base HP, quarter their Speed, problem solved. They move way too fast and the second things look slightly bad they run to the hills where no one can follow them up. Allow them the possibility to wade into a firefight and hold up for a long time yet not the ability to leave if they misjudge the challenge.